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This is so amazing! That's for the update on this for focus. Timing has really thrown me off from the score I know I'm capable of. No one ever talks about being able to change answers at the end. Is it ever a good idea to try and use that as a strategy? I always just pretend I don't have the option to do that.

The best I could come up with in terms of reviewing your answers is in the post above and that’s primarily in the quant section and data insights. Definitely welcome people to poke holes in their approach I outlined.

One of the reasons people don’t talk about reviewing answers at the end is because it has never been done in the last 30 years of GMAT prep so they haven’t been any good strategies developed for this. Traditionally you want to end your test with just enough time basically so you allocated properly among different questions.

However, talking to a number of test takers, many end up reviewing questions they felt were too hard and they skipped. The challenge here is being able to quickly identify which questions are too hard and I think that’s only possible in quant or data insights without wasting quite a bit of time on reading the question trying to figure it out and then realizing it’s Something you want to come back later. That is in efficient and not a good use of your time (again, unless you can minimize the efficiency.

PS. MGMAT new books are coming out in a few few months but I’m looking forward to seeing if they have a robust approach to reviewing.

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However, talking to a number of test takers, many end up reviewing questions they felt were too hard and they skipped. The challenge here is being able to quickly identify which questions are too hard and I think that’s only possible in quant or data insights without wasting quite a bit of time on reading the question trying to figure it out and then realizing it’s Something you want to come back later. That is in efficient and not a good use of your time (again, unless you can minimize the efficiency.
 
­We're all still figuring out how best to use the review feature, but broadly speaking, I think bb is spot-on here.

On verbal, there's not a whole lot you can do with the review feature. It's nearly impossible to identify "hard" questions (whatever that might mean for you personally) until you've pretty much done the entire question.

Sure: it doesn't hurt to flag verbal questions that made you uncomfortable -- that way, if you have time to review at the end, you'll know where to direct your attention. But there's absolutely no point in hurrying through verbal so that you have spare time to review at the end. That's going to make things worse.

On quant and DI/IR, I've always been a huge proponent of skipping questions that give you trouble. If you don't see a clear path to the solution, guess and move on. The new review feature makes it easier -- psychologically at least -- to do that. You know that you'll have another crack at those questions if you have extra time. That's a nice thing, and GMAC added the review feature specifically to help test-takers pick their battles without getting anxious.

The trickier question: should you actively try to reserve time at the end for reviewing quant and DI questions? Honestly, I don't think so. Imagine, for example, that you specifically reserve 5 minutes at the end of the quant section. For most test-takers, those 5 minutes are probably better spent in other ways, such as being a little bit more careful on your initial attempts at questions. If you spend those 5 minutes reviewing questions at the end, you MIGHT get an extra question or two right -- but we keep meeting test-takers who seem to spend that time overthinking, and they often change right answers to wrong ones. 

We'll see what happens over the next year or two, as we watch more of our students grapple with the GMAT Focus. Maybe we'll start to see more value in saving time at the end. But so far, I don't see much reason to believe that saving time at the end will actually help -- and for test-takers who tend to second-guess themselves, it might even hurt a bit.

I'm curious to hear other views on this, though! ­
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hi bb, could you pls help with the time management strategies for DI section as well? This is the only section thats killing my score and the only problem i am facing in this section is time crunch.
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Hi Guys,

My exam is nearby and I am still facing this issue that I am unable to complete DI section on time with 3-4 questions left. I have realized that MSR set is consuming my much of the time around 9-10 mins and accuracy is also not good (mainly in non math MSR). Can I skip the MSR questions and make random guess in the exam and come back if time allows? Will it impact my score much than guessing last 3-4 questions left due to time constraint? Is this strategy good to go?­ I am facing dilemma to use this startegy as if the MSR questions set come is easy and I skipped it and marked answer randomly, it will hamper my score much worse as penalty for incorrect answer for easy questions is huge. And if I attempt MSR questions and if it turns out to be complicated, I would have spent 9-10 mins for incorrect answers plus left with 3-4 questions at the end. Please guide me what to do, as my exam is just on the way and I am not to able to figure it out.

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Hi,
I want to ask more about this strategy:
"1. You can timebox the entire MSR (guess all 3 questions and come back later with at least 8-10 minutes of time. Note that some tests may have multiple MSR passages with 3 questions each."

Do I need to choose a random answer for MSR to do it later in the review section? Or I just need to mark as guess (and the system will not score it until later).

I'm afraid that randomly choosing the answers wrong will cause to a lower grade + easy questions.

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Do I need to choose a random answer for MSR to do it later in the review section? Or I just need to mark as guess (and the system will not score it until later).

I'm afraid that randomly choosing the answers wrong will cause to a lower grade + easy questions.­
­Hi Goal700,

You can't mark an answer as a "guess". The algorithm will use your response (non-experimental question) and update your score estimate.

For what it's worth, I still ask my students to avoid using the review and edit feature unless absolutely necessary in the verbal section.­
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Hi Guys,

My exam is nearby and I am still facing this issue that I am unable to complete DI section on time with 3-4 questions left. I have realized that MSR set is consuming my much of the time around 9-10 mins and accuracy is also not good (mainly in non math MSR). Can I skip the MSR questions and make random guess in the exam and come back if time allows? Will it impact my score much than guessing last 3-4 questions left due to time constraint? Is this strategy good to go?­ I am facing dilemma to use this startegy as if the MSR questions set come is easy and I skipped it and marked answer randomly, it will hamper my score much worse as penalty for incorrect answer for easy questions is huge. And if I attempt MSR questions and if it turns out to be complicated, I would have spent 9-10 mins for incorrect answers plus left with 3-4 questions at the end. Please guide me what to do, as my exam is just on the way and I am not to able to figure it out.

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­Sorry for the late reply, but I'll throw in my two cents, just in case it helps somebody out there -- even though I don't think my wisecracks are going to be all that reassuring to most of you.

The bad news is that completely skipping certain question types to stay on track is rarely a good idea. As you mentioned, the problem is that the GMAT is an adaptive test, and if you miss easier questions -- regardless of the question type -- those errors will hurt your score far more than missing harder questions.

So if you randomly guess on MSR questions and they happen to be easy, you'll do more harm than good. In theory, you could edit them later, but (A) odds are good that you won't have enough time to do so, and (B) by then, you'll already have damaged the difficulty of your remaining questions, and you might have dug a hole that you can't climb out of.

The best solution is to become more efficient at MSR (and DI in general) -- and that's easier said than done, obviously. Almost every student we've met has room for improvement when it comes to their approach to MSR questions, so you'll want to do everything possible to optimize your process -- and to move on once it's clear that you're stumped by a question. The MSR videos in our DI video course might help a bit­. (This video on time management might also help -- it was made for the previous version of the test, but the main takeaways still apply.)

I suppose that if you're completely hopeless on MSR questions, then maybe you'd want to be extra-aggressive about giving up on those questions? My hesitation is just that there's no reason why that would be the case -- if you can do other DI questions well, you can learn to be just as accurate and efficient on MSR once you figure out how best to process the mountain of information.

Let's suppose that you've done everything you can to improve on DI, and let's also suppose that you religiously bail on questions once it's 100% clear that you're overmatched... but you still struggle to complete the section on time. If that's the case, you're probably better off doing as many as you can without skipping anything and then, once you don't have time to properly tackle the next question, guessing your way through the last few. That way, your guesses will come on tougher questions if you've taken care of business on the first chunk of the test.

I know: not very satisfying, but I hope it helps a bit!
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One mistake will not ruin a test, but one 3-minute question will.

Well said bb!!

Despite knowing this & having some time-sense within me, sometimes I fall into sunk-cost fallacy. Any tips to train my brain not to go more than 3mins in a question, esp. when you know you've already crossed 3mins?

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I know it is really hard to give up on a question. However, I think the only way to get there is to do it on a few practice tests, moreover, you have 3 questions you can come back to, so I think that's so much easier to make this decision since you can come back to the question if you have time left.

My decision in this case was - am I 15 secs away (almost done) at 3 mins, and if I am not, I would highly advocate to make the decision to leave the question for later.


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One mistake will not ruin a test, but one 3-minute question will.

Well said bb!!

Despite know this & having some time-sense within me, sometimes I fall into sunk-cost fallacy. Any tips to train my brain not to go more than 3mins in a question, esp. when you know you've already crossed 3mins?

P.S: Thanks for this beautiful compilation, you've done.